Electric - a false dawn ? what do you think ?

[Lazzzydog]

Dirty, unsafe and unhealthy to obtain, absolutely true using outdated 19th century technology but this is the 21st century and things have moved on enormously in robotics which would require far fewer men to work underground and safety regs have progressed too. I am all for clean electric power and solar panels on industrial buildings which are already ugly is no big deal but I find the solar panels on houses totally out of place on traditional English homes. There must be a market for solar panels that look like ordinary roofing tiles.

 

[gookah]

s people just are not ready and will not accept that they can only do certain things at certain times. We have been turned into a 24/7 when we like community. .

Well get ready for the big change then, don't think you will get a choice in this.
Half hourly smart meter roll out for domestic properties by 2020.
ask yourself why?
at work we are charged double the pence per kWh on our half hourly billing between 4pm and 7pm, to 'encourage' us to turn off things and use less when the peak demand is on the grid.
That will happen with your bills, You will be 'encouraged' to turn off (read charged a lot more) between 4pm and 7pm by being hit with a bigger bill,
Smart homes will be able to switch off and use things other than at these times.... or you will pay!!!.
You will have a battery car and you will use the power from that to run your electric cooker when you get in, and charge it later when the rate reduces.

It is coming, and you better get prepared for this

 

[hard top]

(cos scotland won't be around the UK much longer either)

There is nothing left up there, its all been pulled out of the ground, if the Scots want what is left, they can have it.

 

[gookah]

Agreed but the infrastructure is massive and expensive. I'm sure it will come because we need to reduce our carbon footprint to reduce health issues and environment issues. "They" will let us know when the technology is available and will probably coincide with the demise of oil etc

technology is there now
I am doing it at our workplace over the next 3 months

 

[gookah]

Dirty, unsafe and unhealthy to obtain, absolutely true using outdated 19th century technology but this is the 21st century and things have moved on enormously in robotics which would require far fewer men to work underground and safety regs have progressed too. I am all for clean electric power and solar panels on industrial buildings which are already ugly is no big deal but I find the solar panels on houses totally out of place on traditional English homes. There must be a market for solar panels that look like ordinary roofing tiles.

We had laser guided shearers and £5 million coal face installations, it was not 19th century picks and shovels
3 mile long drift mines with 1000hp motors driving rope carried conveyors the full distance.
Gas is still present regardless of whatever technology is available and strata is unpredictable and unstable, who gets the trapped robots free?
people

also check out Tesla solar roof tiles, and GB-Sol pv roof slates... where have all you dinosaurs been....

 

[andyglym]

Well get ready for the big change then, don't think you will get a choice in this.
Half hourly smart meter roll out for domestic properties by 2020.
ask yourself why?
at work we are charged double the pence per kWh on our half hourly billing between 4pm and 7pm, to 'encourage' us to turn off things and use less when the peak demand is on the grid.
That will happen with your bills, You will be 'encouraged' to turn off (read charged a lot more) between 4pm and 7pm by being hit with a bigger bill,
Smart homes will be able to switch off and use things other than at these times.... or you will pay!!!.
You will have a battery car and you will use the power from that to run your electric cooker when you get in, and charge it later when the rate reduces.

It is coming, and you better get prepared for this

You are of course right but battery car for me, in my driving life time? Most unlikely.

 

[andyglym]

technology is there now
I am doing it at our workplace over the next 3 months

As is the car that will never rust etc etc. The point being we won't be going all electric in cars or power for some time yet. Sure, it's here but it won't be mainstream for a while yet.

 

[andyglym]

We had laser guided shearers and £5 million coal face installations, it was not 19th century picks and shovels
3 mile long drift mines with 1000hp motors driving rope carried conveyors the full distance.
Gas is still present regardless of whatever technology is available and strata is unpredictable and unstable, who gets the trapped robots free?
people

also check out Tesla solar roof tiles, and GB-Sol pv roof slates... where have all you dinosaurs been....

Just waiting for it to become mainstream for it to be cost effective to buy it, if it was cost effective it would be on the roof of every new house, would it not?

 

[billz]

If the Government wants all houses to be solar powered then why do they not start rolling out a program to update all houses. Money that is why. What happens to the ordinary folk who own there own home and can not afford to change. If this is to happen then the Government needs to put in place now a swap out program. Offering say 2k to swap from a dirty car worth 4k to 10k to an electric one is not an incentive to most people. Also a lot of people drive round in £500 to 2k cars because thats all they can afford who is going to give them the money to buy the new technology

 

[5harp3y]

I've just ordered a new company car

It's a 330E hybrid

Purely diesel Company cars are already being phased out due to silly bik taxes

Hybrids are the only affordable options now.

Remember though this ban is only on pure petrol / diesel cars.

So we won't be driving pure electric we will be driving hybrids which I don't think is a bad thing as the technology is really cool

 

[DavidM]

I'm fed up listening about electric vehicle setbacks! Just get the research done to get the battery life sorted including 10-minute fast charging - equip all petrol stations with grid bearing infrastructure and charging points - no need to have this burden in the home - and most importantly get a choice of exhaust notes built into these vehicles to mimic those of performance cars - job done! Now what's next?

 

[Redline]

You must right mate, don't think an exhaust pipe would be too efficient under water

The exhaust will be fine. I think its the intake that might be problematic. Have you found a way of compressing water that we don't know about?

 

[Lazzzydog]

And meanwhile in China the pollution continues to rocket. Just the INCREASE in China's pollution output for 2015 was greater than our entire output for that year.

 

[TaffZee]

Wont Happen, end of, as long as there is fuel available they will use it, Same story for years all the promises of making factories non polluting governments have to much to lose, I probably wont know if it happens or not, but just wait somewhere along the way a massive U turn will be done, Just looks good for the people involved in coming up with these ideas, Unless a new fuel source is found or a way in using available fuel more efficiently and less polluting.

 

[miller1098]

I can't wait for an electric car that works really well and the sooner the better for us all.petrol and diesel it's crap.The rally school next door have used gas for the last 10 years in their mk2 escorts and get double the engine life.trucks will probably run on hydrogen with a bit more development and hopefully these deadlines will speed things along.heres an American Toyota advert.and check out the tesla acceleration videos I know they can only do 300 miles on a charge ,30 miles further than my M on a tank but they take an hour to recharge but 20 years ago that was a dream.

View: https://youtu.be/tajigZ2e6tQ

 

[hard top]

Mercedes will enter Formula E from 2019-20 - three seasons from now.

Mercedes' decision to join arch-rivals Audi and BMW, as well as Renault, DS (Citroen) and Jaguar, underlines the impression that Formula E is beginning to carve a permanent place for itself in the motorsport tapestry. Hardly surprising given the rise of electric cars on the road.

Mercedes entering Formula E has very little to do with its participation in Formula 1.

The company sees the two championships as complementary, not competitive. Mercedes motorsport director Toto Wolff - also the boss of and 30% shareholder in the F1 team - has made that clear.

 

[miller1098]

Here they come

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154941579613721

View: https://www.facebook.com/architecturaldigest/videos/10154941579613721/

 

[andyglym]

It's the future that's for sure and rightly so, however, one thing to ponder in this evolution of the car is the £28billion a year that goes to the Chancellor's coffers from fuel duty. Where's that coming from? Granted it will be a phased and very long handover but the gap still needs to be filled.

 

[5harp3y]

Fully electric will never be the solution

All cars will be hybrid in some way until hydrogen takes over in 30-40 years.

So fuel will still be needed and with hybrids only achieving 35mpg on the ICE the government will still get their bit more

 

[andyglym]

Fully electric will never be the solution

All cars will be hybrid in some way until hydrogen takes over in 30-40 years.

So fuel will still be needed and with hybrids only achieving 35mpg on the ICE the government will still get their bit more

Indeed. And anything else the boffins can pluck out of their science labs.