I actually like social distancing, because I fecking hate everyone, and don't particularly give a s*** if they don't like me....
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I use the postal service, but only via the postbox. I've turned down two sales, one because I refused to take it to the post office and the other was an international sale. I didn't think the buyer should be buying something from UK when it's available in the US.
I send all addresses instructions to only touch the package with disposable gloves and store it for three days before opening it.
I send all addresses instructions to only touch the package with disposable gloves and store it for three days before opening it.
I agree Sean, better minds than ours are monitoring the postal service and couriers to see what and if any extra resources are required.
The type of delivery who move essential stuff for the NHS are not the same people who drop a piece of Plywood etc. at your house out the back of a Mondeo Est.
The professional services such as TNT, DPD, or even the Armed Forces will be making these deliveries.
Tony.
My sounding point is eBay. If using postal services was an issue then the government would have ordered eBay to shut down. 99% of items sold on eBay are non-essential.
And eBay is the only way charity shops for instance can keep going at the moment.
Fine of course if you want to take a personal stance and not use the post. But extending your argument you should probably also consider using candles instead of electric lights, barbecuing your food rather using the gas and only using the internet to look at the news
I’m first in line to follow the government rules on this thing. But that includes not making up my own rules and risking damaging the economy. Eg I took vouchers for flights rather than ask for a refund. I’m leaving the government to judge what’s right. If they say to stop using postal services I will.
And eBay is the only way charity shops for instance can keep going at the moment.
Fine of course if you want to take a personal stance and not use the post. But extending your argument you should probably also consider using candles instead of electric lights, barbecuing your food rather using the gas and only using the internet to look at the news
I’m first in line to follow the government rules on this thing. But that includes not making up my own rules and risking damaging the economy. Eg I took vouchers for flights rather than ask for a refund. I’m leaving the government to judge what’s right. If they say to stop using postal services I will.
Precisely the point I was making. BUT, if the Govt. wants people to stop using postal services there should be deceive, unambiguous statements saying so.
Tony.
Tony.
You guys have gone way off the mark... Gary’s main point is about social distancing and dare I say it. Responsibility for ones own actions. That is, is it right at present to be driving around just to pick up items that are not essential which is against the Gov guidelines. Regarding the postal service, it’s under stress with post staff off. So just think about your own actions for once. Christ, it’s not going to bloody hurt you to wait is it.
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Main point yes but we should all be clear based on government rules anyway that you shouldn't be going to pick car parts up. No rules from government on postal services and Gary opens that point up for debate.You guys have gone way off the mark... Gary’s main point is about social distancing and dare I say it. Responsibility for ones own actions. That is, is it right at present to de driving around just to pick up items that are not essential which is against the Gov guidelines. Regarding the postal service, it’s under stress with post staff off. So just think about your own actions for once. Christ, it’s not going to bloody hurt you to wait is it.
Remember that the courier & postal networks are under tremendous strain and are only kept going through people who generally have NO CHOICE but to work - and may not be desperately happy in doing so. Whether clogging the postal/courier networks up with second hand car parts is a good or bad thing at the moment is of course a whole discussion on it's own.
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Well this got out of hand....again..... Gaz has offered advice, with regard to considering our actions given the current situation, nothing more nothing less and has offered the same advice across all his admin responsibilities. However, doing as you're told and doing what is best are not the same things, we can all wait to be told not to do something rather than follow advice, but waiting didn't work out so well last time now did it.
Personally I took the advice at face value!
Personally I took the advice at face value!
Gents. Do we have a democracy on this forum where things can be discussed and debated freely within forum rules and the law without fear of being shut down? Or do we have an autocracy? Both sides of the debate have been put in a reasonable manner and people can make up their own minds. No need to stifle it is there?
I just moved into a new house the day before the lock down and Ebay and online shopping has been a god send. I even had a new mower delivered. Some would call that non essential but I had nothing to cut the grass with and it kept me out of the shops.
Packages can be dropped off and left for days or opened with care.
Packages can be dropped off and left for days or opened with care.
Absolutely agree Niall, but sadly many people do need to be told what to do, others tell people what to and then do as they like regardless. Point in question a certain footballer called Grealish springs to mind. What a p*****.
Tony.
Sort of, your missing one big point. This is Garys house and it's Garys rules.
I call him el presidente everyone's friendly dictator
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The strongest democracies flourish from frequent and lively debate, but they endure when people of every background and belief find a way to set aside smaller differences in service of a greater purpose.
This is really easy. Do not go out to the shops unless for ESSENTIAL goods. Online shopping if you have any morals should also be for ESSENTIAL goods only. End off! How bloody hard can it be ffs!!
Here's the over-arching government priority :-
Everything else is secondary and subordinate to that single point and must support the current overall UK objective of reducing COVID-19 transmission and its consequences.
It isn't ambiguous.
It is crystal clear.
Nothing else is important to anyone and everyone else.
Anything and everything else should/must be read in that overall context.
Yes - Post Office advice is ambiguous, but, only when read on its own. They are open for service. But it is for essential things.
While you can, should you go post something simply because the service is available to use? Is that an abuse of privilege?
If you NEED to post something (or use another Post Office service), then fine. The services are there to allow you to do so for those that MUST use those essential services to continue with their daily lives. Many do. That is why they are open. No other reason.
Please protect all critical workers - most of us on here have them in our families.
Many are scared witless by what is going on. They are scared for themselves and for their loved ones too. They have no choice.
Let them get on and do their jobs for the essential critical things only. They have enough to be worrying about as well as trying to do their job safely.
Infect them inadvertently or unwittingly (and consequently potentially their families and critical co-workers) and the basic societal machine will likely start to fail. More serious sanctions will then quickly follow. Things seem to be stabilising at the moment. We should do everything we can to ensure that continues.
By all means, use commercial delivery services that can operate safely . Buy on-line if possible (commercial operations will have safe working and collection processes in place - delivery firms will not currently collect if they don't), but, if it needs a post-office counter service, please think carefully. What is suggested is that we use the Post Office counters only if you MUST as per the overall objective.
Everything else is secondary and subordinate to that single point and must support the current overall UK objective of reducing COVID-19 transmission and its consequences.
It isn't ambiguous.
It is crystal clear.
Nothing else is important to anyone and everyone else.
Anything and everything else should/must be read in that overall context.
Yes - Post Office advice is ambiguous, but, only when read on its own. They are open for service. But it is for essential things.
While you can, should you go post something simply because the service is available to use? Is that an abuse of privilege?
If you NEED to post something (or use another Post Office service), then fine. The services are there to allow you to do so for those that MUST use those essential services to continue with their daily lives. Many do. That is why they are open. No other reason.
Please protect all critical workers - most of us on here have them in our families.
Many are scared witless by what is going on. They are scared for themselves and for their loved ones too. They have no choice.
Let them get on and do their jobs for the essential critical things only. They have enough to be worrying about as well as trying to do their job safely.
Infect them inadvertently or unwittingly (and consequently potentially their families and critical co-workers) and the basic societal machine will likely start to fail. More serious sanctions will then quickly follow. Things seem to be stabilising at the moment. We should do everything we can to ensure that continues.
By all means, use commercial delivery services that can operate safely . Buy on-line if possible (commercial operations will have safe working and collection processes in place - delivery firms will not currently collect if they don't), but, if it needs a post-office counter service, please think carefully. What is suggested is that we use the Post Office counters only if you MUST as per the overall objective.
I'm not the one getting angry Niall. I'm not the one trying to stiffle other people's views or telling others they're behaviour is wrong - unless it's to question why they have the need to offer dictates contrary to government rules and the current operational models of most businesses.Quote;
The strongest democracies flourish from frequent and lively debate, but they endure when people of every background and belief find a way to set aside smaller differences in service of a greater purpose.
If it makes anyone feel better then go-ahead and round on me for kicking this off. If I offered everyone a crisp £50 note on this forum someone would tell me I was a being a t*sser. It's got me upset in the past - it's water off a duck's back now as it's more important I feel I've contributed to a balanced view and the spirit of fair-mindedness.
Right now I'm off to open my parcel that's arrived with my VANOS rebuild kit. And to put the doors on my cabinet that have just arrived from Ikea. I'm proud to continue spending money with the 2 companies and postal services in question to help keep people in jobs. I'm an economist by profession and know the damage sending everyone home from their jobs will do and the drain it will put on the national economy. That view is balanced against consideration of risk based on government advice.
Yep you open your parcels that have been handled umpteen times by people in warehouses without a safe working distance of 2m and continue to spread the virus, cracking idea. Like you say, be proud!!!!
I also want to buy a car wing off eBay and collect it,
if he ties a sausage to it, can I class that as an essential food journey?
if he ties a sausage to it, can I class that as an essential food journey?
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