lowering springs for the M

swamper

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ok just had a phone call from euro car parts and the bilstein B8s are going to take a while to get here as theres none in their stock in the country and may take up to 4 weeks to get here.
so i need some help with parts as the full suspension is going to be new.
1st i need the springs ordered....this i can sort from Evolve
2nd is the top mounts for the front have these been uprated to the E46 mounts?
3rd top mounts for there rears?
4th is the rubber cups for the rear springs?
5th new drop links for the front ARB (might wait for these till i get the H&R ARB)
6th is the powerflex bushes (darren wood said to get them for the front and would throw them on for nowt) but im unsure which ones he ment as he said there going to have to come off anyway :-\

ok so where the cheapest places to buy and if anyone has any advice....?

pity i cant have it ready for zedfest :(
 

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This is the cheapest place I have come across for the front droplinks which are the Meyle HD ones.

http://bmwpartsonline.co.uk/Product-224

With regard to the top front mounts are you saying you can fit E46 items then I have heard this being done for the rear shock mounts but not the front.

Edit: forgot to mention that I got the rear spring cups direct from BMW and went for the thinist ones as you can get them in 3 different thicknesses. Part no. is 33531136385 but can't remember the price off the topof my head but only a few quid each I think.
 

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I'll let you come for a ride in mine so you can feel what it 'will' be like :ymdevil:

I'd say get the top mounts from euro too.. You should only need standard ones
 

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iv already paid for the shocks so i might as well run with what im doing Aceman........but good find ;)
thanks for the help with the part number...as for the E46 top mounts it was just something Mike Fishwick pointed out on the other forum about the normal Z3 top mounts....and for that price i might as well get the drop links on......... 3 different thicknesses on the rear cups now thats worth knowing as well ;)

Liam i'll let you have a go in mine so you know what an un-modded one feels line......but be quick :))
 

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anyone know the part number for the top mounts to go with the B8s? i just want OEM
i keep seeing different types for sale with camber and such....i just want the normal
iv got a set of H&Rs on the way by the way
 
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swamper said:
iv already paid for the shocks so i might as well run with what im doing Aceman........but good find ;)
thanks for the help with the part number...as for the E46 top mounts it was just something Mike Fishwick pointed out on the other forum about the normal Z3 top mounts....and for that price i might as well get the drop links on......... 3 different thicknesses on the rear cups now thats worth knowing as well ;)

Liam i'll let you have a go in mine so you know what an un-modded one feels line......but be quick :))
can't beat an un modded one! proud to have it that way

B-)
 

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*shrugs* :-@
 
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just my opinion, i love it the way it is, but will be interested in what mods you make sir.

:D
 

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the one main thing for me mate is that its handles as good as it can and sticks when pushed and after 60 000 it could do with an uprated bit sticking on it.
it sits to high for some of the things i ask it to do and with this much under the right foot i want confidence in it....dont get me wrong shes fine for a little run out.....but!..... sometimes it would be nice to have that bit more when you need it. ;)

if the car was going to get sold on i wouldnt touch it........but its not ;)
 
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swamper said:
the one main thing for me mate is that its handles as good as it can and sticks when pushed and after 60 000 it could do with an uprated bit sticking on it.
it sits to high for some of the things i ask it to do and with this much under the right foot i want confidence in it....dont get me wrong shes fine for a little run out.....but!..... sometimes it would be nice to have that bit more when you need it. ;)

if the car was going to get sold on i wouldnt touch it........but its not ;)
:-bd
 

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The difference is we drive ours Wayne.. ;) Where Mr Badman just polishes his and leaves it in a garage.. L-)

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z3cade said:
The difference is we drive ours Wayne.. ;) Where Mr Badman just polishes his and leaves it in a garage.. L-)

:p
im not going to argue about standard or modded or drive or store on swampers thread.

[-(
 

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The top mounts on the M are off set like the first link.. Not central like the others..

Have you not asked at euro parts for a set of oem ones for the M? They should be able to sort you out a set
 
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Fitted my B12 Kit (Bilstein B8's and Eibach -30mm springs) and H&R ARB's last weekend.

It took me three hours start to finish.

The rear is easy, remove the rear ARB first (support the axles x 2 trolley jacks), undo the top mounts from in the cabin (4 nuts), undo the lower strut bolts and remove the strut (make sure the strut is max extension), lower the axle down and wiggle the springs out, i left the standard spring pads in, but i do have the thinest pad thickness ready if i di not like the rear ride height (it looks good standard pad). Now place your new spring in place. Assemble the new rear strut to the new top mount, note i used the heavy duty Meyle top mounts. mount the top strut into place and ensure you torque up nuts and bolts as per the TIS guide, Note you will also have to fit a spacer to the bottom bracket of the strut of the Bilstein (supplied in box).

The front was straight forward, car on axle stands, hub carriers supported (trolley jacks) at full extension.Remove the various brake tubes and sensor wires from their carriers on each strut, undo the top three nuts on each turret. Undo the top lower shoulder bolt on the strut and drive out with a suitable punch, note this bolt has a ground shoulder, one snapped taking it out due to corrosion, but i had spares to replace all fixings as new. Now undo the lower two bolts holding the strut to the hub carrier, Note these two bolts have an Adhesive Thread Patch on them as new which works like Araldite in that the hardener is held in microcapsules which break on hardeneing and mix with the paste to glue the bolts in place, these bolts are a one time only fit due to this, you will need to replace with new (note it takes 24 hours for the adhesive to reach full strength once installed). Now extract the full strut assembly from the car. Now the tricky bit, you will need spring clamps a modified 22mm socket and hex key. If you have these you can undo the top mount nut and swap over. However I forgot to get my 22mm socket modified, so i took the old and new struts down to National Tyre who swapped them over greased and tightened the bearings for £20 (Bargain), refitting is a reversal of the removal as thy say, but dont forget new lower bolts and use the torque figures as per the TIS guide.

The ARBs front and rear were simple, remove the front engine tray, undo the 4 nuts to the brackets, undo the front drop links and remove, fit the new bushes and refit as per removal, the rear is the same but becomes a fully bolted joint to the drop links so no walking off of the drop links, all hardware is supplied, but i did buy new ARB brackets and nuts.

I have to say that the transformation is phenomenal, there is virtually no body roll, the car will corner 15mph quicker than normal without the feeling of tipping over, the ride is quite smooth considering, braking distances have reduced, and the car just looks right, will post some pictures shortly (when the rain stops), all in all it is now what i expected a sports car to be like when i bought it, very pleased. Of course mine is not an M, but i expect you will notice the same benefits.

I also no longer have any tramlining I have put this down to two things:

1) addition of the H&R Roll Bars, the rear OEM on the 1.9 is very springy, and was actually distorted when removed, the H&R are thicker and more resistance to bend / twist

2) tightening of the front top mount bearings, when they were removed there was quite a lot of play in the bearings, i would say that this is probably a good contributor to wandering steering, so is worth a look if any one is suffering the tramlining effect.
 

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that is a very interesting read thanks for the insight ;)

however as anyone would tell you i have nowhere to do this...my drive is on a slope....cant get the car in the back yet due to ramp not being built yet.....and the road is on a bend.......BUT!... that description would and should go in the knowledge base.

liam....i cant get near euro yet...been working away...but as always i dont want to do it twice so just seeing what was out their
 

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z3cade said:
Have you not asked at euro parts for a set of oem ones for the M? They should be able to sort you out a set
euro dont list them ...strange :-\
edit just ordered from GFS

ok going to make a list for myself here

B8s on there way
H&R springs on there way
front top mounts arrived
rear top mounts arrived
front drop links on there way
rear drop links on there way

need
rear spring mounts
powerfelx bushes..but dont know which ones
trailing arm bushes
 

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Just rung them and got put on hold then dumped off :(

I was going to order a set myself. :-?
 
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