Finally, an electric vehicle that makes sense...

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The truck is an incredible niche solution so hats off to the engineer that spotted the opportunity.

The issue of charging electric vehicles is a solution looking for a problem for most of us. Our cars spend 90% of their time sat idle. Plenty of time to keep them fully charged. They could be even charged using a charging plate buried in the floor of your driveway, garage, parking space at work, car park spaces etc. Not new technology just a different scale and no intervention needed. Technology would easily allow the costs to be charged back to the owner.
Range anxiety will only be a sticking point on long journeys.

Only working vehicles would need a hybrid solution.
The breakdown companies will have rapid chargers on their vehicles to help the stranded or supplementary charging packs that you can hire to plug into your car to get you to your destination or charge point.

Still leaves the infrastructure to be deployed but, the major blocker is the shortfall on electricity generation capacity.
We have had days where 25% of total power has been wind generated and I believe 50% from renewables. But, the capacity needed to charge vehicles is way more than we have available.

Wind and solar power generation on our homes will help. Mass power storage is on its way. Energy and efficiency of homes and appliances will increase. Energy recovery will help - how much hot water do you pour down your sink and shower plug holes. Solutions exist today. They're not viable cost wise unless you link all the benefits to a problem looking for a solution - your car!

It will take a big coordinated effort across several industries and government to fix this. Other countries will get there way before the UK does.

We can't keep thinking about all these issues independently - they all interact. It will take a new industrial revolution to bring all the elements together. Those who develop solutions that can easily fit into our current homes and businesses will be winners. Then we can all have electric cars. The car manufacturers should be linking solutions into their products. A one stop solution. Unless they do they're missing a big opportunity to pull people to their products. They currently only see the car itself as the product.

Fuel cell technology will however be the target solution. So much fuel available. I'm sure that's where the oil companies will go because that keeps them in the game. Then it's going back to the 'petrol' station every few days - again!
 

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And what life span do these batteries Have?

Tony.
We replace batteries every 4 years in UPS systems. That's only because failure is not an option. Most I think will be ten years and that will get better. So that's likely to be one change during the car lifetime.
The problem is the complexity of changing them when there distributed around all available space in a cars body.
 

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Once upon a time the slate mines at Blaenau Festiniog would put the slate on a railway with a carriage at the back for a bunch of horses, it'd coast down to the port using nothing but gravity, once the train was unloaded the horses would pull it back up to the top again. Nothing new under the sun, I guess, just electricity gets involved now.
 

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We replace batteries every 4 years in UPS systems. That's only because failure is not an option. Most I think will be ten years and that will get better. So that's likely to be one change during the car lifetime.
The problem is the complexity of changing them when there distributed around all available space in a cars body.
Some manufacturers are looking at drive-in drive-out battery packs. You drive the car into what looks like a car wash and drive out 60 seconds later with a fully charged battery pack.

They may introduce it in Formula-E rather than changing cars half-way through the race.
 

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Mmmm, throw the missus out at the bottom of the hill and let her walk, she can ride on the downward portions though. One day they will get it sorted. but not for a very long time, things need to move forward in other ways first, Batteries, quick Charging, clean safe electricity production, We still use cables to power our trains which at the moment is the currently the only feasible way "at the moment" of powering vehicles using electricity. It will happen its got to but we are a still a long way off.
 

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Interesting stuff. The farm I live on has it's own 70ft wind turbine, it pays for the dairy farm leccy bill at £1500 a quater, the farmers mahoosive house, his parents bungalow and puts a bit back into the grid. It has been known to be a tad blowy on the West Coast of Cumbria though :arghh: Renewables will make up a decent % of full use given time alongside Nuclear and fossils fuels (whilst they last).
 

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How long does it take for one of these turbines to pay for itself? We have quite a few that have sprung up around here.

Tony.
 

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How long does it take for one of these turbines to pay for itself? We have quite a few that have sprung up around here.

Tony.
I was told 7 years, a few years ago.
One went up and speaking to one of his workers told me they cost 2 mill approx. and paid for itself in the 7 years - he had a 25 year contract so that's over 4 mill profit on the term !!!
 

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How long does it take for one of these turbines to pay for itself? We have quite a few that have sprung up around here.

Tony.
Good question.

Just looked up and amazingly it's quoted as little as 5-8 months for a 2MW turbine! I can't imagine it's anywhere as little as that in the UK

Lots of factors..
http://www.wind-power-program.com/turbine_economics.htm

Just scanned that and I can say one thing. You need a lot of wind :whistle:
 

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This one is about 1/3rd size of the ones out at sea and only cost circa £100k I believe but wind, we've got that and then some, and then some more!
Anything above mean wind speed of 5m/s is a viable installation. Speeds of 9m/s brings payback down to 4 years or less.
Think you'd easily get planning permission for a 75m mast (or three) :whistle:
 

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We can see two turbines from our kitchen window and sometimes it seems they turn when there is little to no wind blowing ! However another day when there is what you would think ample wind blowing they're still ??

Tony.
 

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We can see two turbines from our kitchen window and sometimes it seems they turn when there is little to no wind blowing ! However another day when there is what you would think ample wind blowing they're still ??

Tony.
This one automatically cuts out when the cows start flying by, clever stuff.
 

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We can see two turbines from our kitchen window and sometimes it seems they turn when there is little to no wind blowing ! However another day when there is what you would think ample wind blowing they're still ??

Tony.
They feather the vanes so they turn at a constant speed as far as possible. Some of it is if the national grid is demanding power too I guess. No point in pumping in power if they're paying peanuts for it. Wear the turbine out only when its paying its way.

I pass a farm of about 12 turbines - frequently only half are working, sometimes none and I don't think I've seen them all going on any occasion.
 

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Well you don't want cows blowing around mate, do you?=)) The ones nearest to us, which I drive past every day are located at two Chicken rearing units.

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I was in Spain last month and my friend has a finka. He uses solar to power his house, but he has done it for a lot less than 500 Euros. It's a proper bodge job of Halfords type solar panels with a caravan inverter and a car battery, but it works.

I wonder if Mr Llewelyn uses 12v light bulbs like my finka friend:)
 

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I am currently having installed the UK's first commercial/industrial battery storage project that uses roof mounted solar PV to charge it.
I had installed in 2016 the UK's 4th largest roof mounted PV system, at 3.2 MW, (13,800 panels)
Now I am having a half megawatt Tesla Battery system installed by November, along with 6 EV charging points, the first of many to come....

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