If it stays like this, nice.
Though the vert won't be taking my Z3's place
Though the vert won't be taking my Z3's place
New Defender.
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That's got some seriously big boots to fill. I hope they've done their homework
Tony.
Tony.
I doubt it'll be anything like the defender of the past.
Farmers, tree surgeons, utility companies, military etc.. all chose the defender for its simple workhorse features, bolt on panels etc.
Will you be able to put a big winch on the front of the new one?
Will it wade into 3 feet of water with only a few modifications?
The old defender was crude and uncomfortable we know, but so many useful features made it so good.
If we ever leave the euro maybe we can start building them again?
Not a looker is she ? Meaty, beaty, big and bouncy as I think The Who once said
Sounds like a whole lotta Rosie then.
Tony.
Tony.
Just how i like my ladies
Interesting.
no doubt there will be a footballer's edition of the new Defender
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Maybe I have been lucky but my Jaguar XF has been completely reliable for the last 3 1/2 years and returns between 35 and 45 mpg depending on use. The only thing it will be swapped for is a 4.4 diesel Range Rover. I had a 3.5 petrol RR for 7 years in the 90’s and that was reliable too. It was a fantastic drive but We were covering a lot more miles in those days and the fuel bills finally wore me down. JLR products are far better than the horror stories would have you believe in my experience.
Great to hear you've had good experiences personally.
I've bought well over 500 land rovers in my time, and I could tell you about many of the horror stories from the owners I met, many of whom were glad to see the back of them.
Even the two dealers whom I bought for would tell you they are poorly built. One would only entertain a Range Rover if it was still under warranty.
I also met some owners that were very pleased, but they were the minority.
Just last week I saw a three year old F-type with rusting sills.
I'm sorry, but I just cannot recommend them.
It's such a shame as they're lovely things to drive, and very nice places to be on the inside, almost unrivalled for the interiors and general all round abilities.
Serious question, do you really believe the horror stories you refer to are made up?
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No I am sure that like all makes there are genuine horror stories but I am also sure that it is the unfortunate punters who owned the bad examples that shout the loudest. If JLR products were as unreliable as bar room tales would have us believe then surely they would have gone out of business years ago along with British Leyland.
Land Rovers suffer a great deal because of the additional technology they have that makes them so great to drive. The drive train, air suspension, big meaty engines, driving technology etc. Simply lots to go wrong - and sadly, some will.
Ownership for most models is not for the faint hearted and those challenged in the wallet/purse department. Expensive to maintain.
Even JLRs own insurance refuses to accept liability for some common faults. The 3.0L SDTV engine has a habit of throwing crank bearing shells causing the the crank itself to snap. JLR refuse to accept independent evidence that shows oilways provide inadequate lubrication causing the shell itself to spin. Despite modifying later engines to tab the shells they say it isn’t a design fault. Their own insurance says it is. If it happens to you JLR put the responsibility on the owner for inadequate or poor maintenance. You only stand a very slight chance of side-stepping the £18k replacement cost if you have 100% dealer history. A massive Achilles heel in an otherwise great engine.
The Freelander 2 had a great reputation in the main. The only frequent fault is the rear diff pinion bearer failing every 50k miles.
By some it was considered as LRs hidden gem.
Love Land Rovers having had 3, but, i’d only go that route now with a lottery win behind me.
JLR have all but abandoned the workhorse sector to Toyota and others. I don’t see them doing a cut down model of the Defender for that segment. They have gone for form over function if they implement this design (good though it is). Those door handles for example - completely impractical on a farm. It’s little things like that that matter when it’s a tool not just transport.
Ownership for most models is not for the faint hearted and those challenged in the wallet/purse department. Expensive to maintain.
Even JLRs own insurance refuses to accept liability for some common faults. The 3.0L SDTV engine has a habit of throwing crank bearing shells causing the the crank itself to snap. JLR refuse to accept independent evidence that shows oilways provide inadequate lubrication causing the shell itself to spin. Despite modifying later engines to tab the shells they say it isn’t a design fault. Their own insurance says it is. If it happens to you JLR put the responsibility on the owner for inadequate or poor maintenance. You only stand a very slight chance of side-stepping the £18k replacement cost if you have 100% dealer history. A massive Achilles heel in an otherwise great engine.
The Freelander 2 had a great reputation in the main. The only frequent fault is the rear diff pinion bearer failing every 50k miles.
By some it was considered as LRs hidden gem.
Love Land Rovers having had 3, but, i’d only go that route now with a lottery win behind me.
JLR have all but abandoned the workhorse sector to Toyota and others. I don’t see them doing a cut down model of the Defender for that segment. They have gone for form over function if they implement this design (good though it is). Those door handles for example - completely impractical on a farm. It’s little things like that that matter when it’s a tool not just transport.