More diesel news

[t-tony]

just read this on MSN

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...scheme-to-cut-emissions/ar-AAmzCyt?li=BBoPOOl

Tony.

 

[gookah]

but that is only a partial answer, what about the main users of diesel. all the lorries, buses and vans? what are they trading in for?

 

[t-tony]

Then there's the big users, Ships, Trains and Aeroplanes (up to a point)

Tony.

 

[andyglym]

just read this on MSN

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...scheme-to-cut-emissions/ar-AAmzCyt?li=BBoPOOl

Tony.

More pandering just to hit "the man in the street"

 

[Gail]

Same old, same old stuff again. As mentioned above, some of the biggest polluters are industrial, one way or another. Oh and those electric vehicles which have to be plugged into the mains......remind me how we generate the electricity in this country to charge them????

 

[Eddie Zedder]

remind me how we generate the electricity in this country to charge them????

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

 

[t-tony]

Another way of looking at the proposed scrappage idea,

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...de-cleaner-not-scrapped/ar-AAmAz5Z?li=BBoPJKX

Tony.

 

[Bozzy]

Another way of looking at the proposed scrappage idea,

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...de-cleaner-not-scrapped/ar-AAmAz5Z?li=BBoPJKX

Tony.

That article is very down to earth and makes perfect sense to me,especially the bit about the impact on the environment in producing new cars to replace your perfectly well maintained serviceable car.
Same with so called efficient new condensing boilers,we're meant to encourage people to replace there perfectly working back boilers and old wall mounted ones with good old cast iron heat exchangers which last in excess of 30 years,with a new boiler which has a service life of as little as 8 years (on average).
Makes no sense to me,just my opinion of course.

Steve

 

[t-tony]

That article is very down to earth and makes perfect sense to me,especially the bit about the impact on the environment in producing new cars to replace your perfectly well maintained serviceable car.
Same with so called efficient new condensing boilers,we're meant to encourage people to replace there perfectly working back boilers and old wall mounted ones with good old cast iron heat exchangers which last in excess of 30 years,with a new boiler which has a service life of as little as 8 years (on average).
Makes no sense to me,just my opinion of course.

Steve

But that is common sense Steve coming from a guy who actually does the job out in the real world. When an old unit is broken and not repairable that is a different issue, but I believe in leaving well alone.

Tony.

 

[t-tony]

More news on VW diesel's future. It would appear that the only engine they're going to persevere with is the 2.0 which caused all the fuss in America in the first place, they say the new generation of this will be "great on CO2". Not to worried about NoX then?

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/...-favour-of-mild-hybrids/ar-AAmIK36?li=BBoPJKX

Tony.

 

[Grumps]

but that is only a partial answer, what about the main users of diesel. all the lorries, buses and vans? what are they trading in for?

A lot of larger truck firms are running some gas powered trucks in their fleet now. Not driven one myself but talking to guys that have they seem badly underpowered.

 

[hard top]

Not driven one myself but talking to guys that have they seem badly underpowered.

Wait until you drive an electric one, I know a bloke who does and he said he has a problem getting up the smallest incline and he has to get a normal truck out to tow him back when he runs out of juice.......

 

[Redline]

That article is very down to earth and makes perfect sense to me,especially the bit about the impact on the environment in producing new cars to replace your perfectly well maintained serviceable car.
Same with so called efficient new condensing boilers,we're meant to encourage people to replace there perfectly working back boilers and old wall mounted ones with good old cast iron heat exchangers which last in excess of 30 years,with a new boiler which has a service life of as little as 8 years (on average).
Makes no sense to me,just my opinion of course.

Steve

Nobody ever shows the total cost of producing a new car (or boiler) compared to running the old one albeit less efficiently or with greater pollution for longer. There has to be a cross over point, but, it's conveniently overlooked. It's as if you can create a new car with new technology for zero cost/pollution. Somebody somewhere has pollution created while it is being produced. It doesn't just magically appear on your doorstep. How much longer can I run my car and stave off that pollution?
Don't just tax me because I happen to own an older car.

If the government wants less pollution in London, Birmigham etc, why not move jobs closer to where people live. Tax companies that make people travel further to work just to improve their own bottom line or reduce costs. Radical - how about efficient and integrated public transport. Never going to happen is it?

No - let's take the easy route and make us, you and me pay more. All transport policy stinks....

 

[andyglym]

Nobody ever shows the total cost of producing a new car (or boiler) compared to running the old one albeit less efficiently or with greater pollution for longer. There has to be a cross over point, but, it's conveniently overlooked. It's as if you can create a new car with new technology for zero cost/pollution. Somebody somewhere has pollution created while it is being produced. It doesn't just magically appear on your doorstep. How much longer can I run my car and stave off that pollution?
Don't just tax me because I happen to own an older car.

If the government wants less pollution in London, Birmigham etc, why not move jobs closer to where people live. Tax companies that make people travel further to work just to improve their own bottom line or reduce costs. Radical - how about efficient and integrated public transport. Never going to happen is it?

No - let's take the easy route and make us, you and me pay more. All transport policy stinks....

Easy target Ian. Always have been and always will be. Joe public is bent over a barrel and will likely just have to suck it up. Ho hum

 

[Redline]

Easy target Ian. Always have been and always will be. Joe public is bent over a barrel and will likely just have to suck it up. Ho hum

Come the glorious revolution mate.....

 

[andyglym]

Come the glorious revolution mate.....

You and me both. Problem is the list of things to resolve is just getting longer.

 

[Redline]

You and me both. Problem is the list of things to resolve is just getting longer.

A polarised two party system and merchant bankers (of two kinds) who carry away all the spoils will allow it to continue. Up the Tooting Popular Front!!!

 

[t-tony]

I'm with you Wolfie ................................ Power to the PEOPLE

Tony.

 

[Grumps]

Wait until you drive an electric one, I know a bloke who does and he said he has a problem getting up the smallest incline and he has to get a normal truck out to tow him back when he runs out of juice.......

Sounds great lol!!

 

[hard top]

Sounds great lol!!

He is the removal biz and they use them in the city's, esp Amsterdam.