Even though we left the EU . . .

[t-tony]

This sounds expensive,

MSN

Tony.

 

[Toby]

Not good tbh - not too sure how they are going to make it mandatory for retro fitting though, this could be misleading.
After all head rests and rear seatbelts arent mandatory in cars that werent originally built with them. Both would save many injuries.

 

[Ianmc]

I will not have a speed limiter device fitted to my cars in any circumstances. Sometimes additional speed is required for safety, including collision avoidance and moving away from idiots. There are too many "lethargic and complacent" drivers out there already; a by product of all the so called safety engineering put in modern cars.
The EU can stuff their laws, period.

 

[Paul Rice]

I had a speed limiter on my company van, absolute pain and dangerous.

 

[Mad2718]

As a lot of you know I drive Hgv’s and these all have speed limiters fitted (usually limited to 56mph even though the speed limit for trucks is 60mph on the motorway). Even with them you still have to watch your speed particularly going downhill as you can still go way above 56 if you are not careful. It does make for difficult driving as you don’t have a turn of speed that you would be used to in a car, but it does teach you to anticipate and watch the road ahead a lot more so you can maintain your speed. So with that in mind it makes you more alert to what is going on, and therefore could make everyone better drivers instead of as is often the case people just getting in the driving seat and not looking beyond their bonnets. I am not saying I agree with limiters but I can see the thoughts behind it.

 

[Redline]

So you are following an HGV that has a 50/60 limit sticker on it on the motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and your car decides to obey that rather than the roadsigns..... That isn't going to work!

 

[Redline]

Not good tbh - not too sure how they are going to make it mandatory for retro fitting though, this could be misleading.
After all head rests and rear seatbelts arent mandatory in cars that werent originally built with them. Both would save many injuries.

I think the mean new cars of pre-existing models, not retrofit of cars on the road. No way you could upgrade 20m vehicles....

 

[t-tony]

I think the idea of these systems gives us all the Willie's but in the end it will happen and we will have to learn to live with it like it or not. And one day we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. Remember the seat belt law?

Tony.

 

[andyglym]

I should coco, no way is a speed limiter going on any of my cars.

 

[Toby]

Of course on the plus side, they will put out of business the whole Speed Camera and associated industries

 

[Redline]

And more scenarios they have to handle.....
You take your car from Northern Ireland to the Republic - the car now has to be aware that speed limits change from mph to kph and has to be able to read the small letters below the speed limit. Might as well just embed the data in the satnav and use GPS.
Then, what about variable speed limits when they change (or you are on roads where multiple speed limits are visible eg exit from one motorway to another).

While systems can read signs, they don't understand the context and/or location with 100% accuracy.
What happens when a change in limit isn't seen for example. Who is liable? The driver or the software developer.
What happens when councils haven't cleaned muck and lichen off the speed limit signs?

Automotive AI is useful as an aid but not yet good enough to work totally independently. There are too many areas for mis-interpretation.
A much better solution (but impossibly expensive to implement) would be to have speed limits transmitted to the car at the location.

This is ill thought out and won't easily work.
It will come, but not in the guise proposed. There are just to many situations where it cannot work effectively and accurately, especially in lower spec vehicles.

 

[Ianmc]

but in the end it will happen and we will have to learn to live with it like it or not.

Only if we let it due to complacency.

 

[t-tony]

Might not be in our lifetime, but it will happen.

Tony.

 

[abh29]

I first came across this on my first Safrane , did not even know it was on the car. I must have accidently set it and while overtaking a bus suddenly found it would not keep accelerating. Later discovered what I had done , most dangerous setting on the car , just my opinion.

 

[Redline]

I first came across this on my first Safrane , did not even know it was on the car. I must have accidently set it and while overtaking a bus suddenly found it would not keep accelerating. Later discovered what I had done , most dangerous setting on the car , just my opinion.

There will be fatalities directly attributed to blanket speed limit controls on vehicles because they don't understand context.

It needs some intelligence applied so that this kind of situation doesn't occur. As I said, the AI has to differentiate between out and out speeding (or attempting to) compared to an instant demand that might mean an urgent or critical situation. There will be those that still argue that you shouldn't get in to that situation, but sometimes, just sometimes, it isn't of your making. Being killed by the software isn't an acceptable situation or solution. As a software engineer being asked to create something like that I would want to be absolved of any and all future liability by my employer.

That said, there are useful situations such as obeying average speed controls on managed motorways. Too easy to let your speed build without noticing over a long distance.

 

[t-tony]

A self driving Tesla hit a police vehicle and a broken down car in Florida last week

Tony.

 

[gookah]

these devices will probably be in operation as quick as the 'speed cameras in cat's eye and litter bins' scare.

Current infrastructure is not able to do this,
go past a services slip road on a motorway where the adjacent sign for that road says 30.
GPS? I bet we have all experienced driving in a field parallel to the road as indicated on the lost signal, not to mention going over road bridges where the road underneath has a different limit.

Smart motorways are already showing 40mph in a tailback where you can only do 10mph or stop/start, and 60 when you are barely able to do 25


Other than having a maximum limit of 70mph, how can they operate it safely otherwise. It will be an 'aid' for us to turn off/on rather than a full control device, and it will be used for prosecution/insurance to access after an event

 

[Lee]

This is ridiculous and would kill driving for me and I'll likely sell all my cars. I for one would be very quickly finding ways of tampering with those boxes let alone even let them fit one to my car.

 

[Stevo7682]

In Glasgow they are test piloting specs cameras like you find on motor way in the city street 3 camera 1 at beginning 1 middle and on end .
Entire street covered both directions.
Stephen

 

[ktnez99]

Only if we let it due to complacency.

I’m with you!
Sit back and do nothing = expect what you don’t want!
Stand up for what you believe in = make those in power take stock!