More on the Diesel row.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/econ...ar-diesel-ban-in-cities/ar-AAoB8YC?li=AAnZ9Ug
Tony.
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/econ...ar-diesel-ban-in-cities/ar-AAoB8YC?li=AAnZ9Ug
Tony.
Do you beleive this?
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Saw that earlier Tony - so the EU wants to protect German business first ?
They have already proved they cant hit the pollutant regs, without compromising the performance, unlike the advertised.
However electric vehicles aren't really the answer either for the long term - so they need to up their game in the development department.
Usually the EU wields its big stick on these sort of things and tells you, you have to make changes / find an alternative. Unlike now - we have to protect the industry !!
They'll be suggesting that folks wear the provided face masks next to combat this
They have already proved they cant hit the pollutant regs, without compromising the performance, unlike the advertised.
However electric vehicles aren't really the answer either for the long term - so they need to up their game in the development department.
Usually the EU wields its big stick on these sort of things and tells you, you have to make changes / find an alternative. Unlike now - we have to protect the industry !!
They'll be suggesting that folks wear the provided face masks next to combat this
I saw that Porsche are coming under scrutiny now too mate, which is only right as they fall under the VAG umbrella. I'm waiting for the PSA group to be next and I can't believe they're any different at all. You get a nose for this testing emissions on many cars and they're all the same, make your eyes water and irritate your throat. I hate the horrible stinking things.
Tony.
Tony.
You own one.....I hate the horrible stinking things.
Well, strictly speaking, Shirl does, but an awful lot of people do Mike, we were conned into thinking they were the future by Tony Blair and his crooked bunch of cronies. I still hate them though. You can't beat a nice straight 6 petrol engine.
Tony.
Only ever owned one years ago, a Merc 190D.
Used to fill it up with red Diesel at my mates farm.....
Used to fill it up with red Diesel at my mates farm.....
Bad lad,..................... tut tut.
Tony.
Tony.
I was told, not that I would ever do it, that if you strain Red diesel through cat litter it removes the red dye from the diesel making it undetectable. Of course it would still bloody stink all the same .....................................
Tony.
Tony.
Years ago over here, some blokes got caught doing that but straining it through peat and this was all done on a barge in Amsterdam.
Later bud.
Tony.
Tony.
Sleep well Big Ears,.....Do you have a special pillow by the way.....Later bud.
The motor industry is simply going to move the problem elsewhere.
The car manufacturers have been quick to replace diesels with equivalent petrol units. That's the immediate step away from the problem.
Sadly our power generation infrastructure doesn't have capacity to support larger volumes of electric vehicles - it might come as a surprise, but you have to generate the stuff somewhere. We have 4% headroom in our capacity. That is very little. The only quick way to add more is gas powered generation.
Car manufacturers can't afford for the value of existing cars to drop too far - that's puts their owners at a disadvantage to replace their own car.
A big mess all caused by VW.
The car manufacturers have been quick to replace diesels with equivalent petrol units. That's the immediate step away from the problem.
Sadly our power generation infrastructure doesn't have capacity to support larger volumes of electric vehicles - it might come as a surprise, but you have to generate the stuff somewhere. We have 4% headroom in our capacity. That is very little. The only quick way to add more is gas powered generation.
Car manufacturers can't afford for the value of existing cars to drop too far - that's puts their owners at a disadvantage to replace their own car.
A big mess all caused by VW.
Well as a company car driver I was encouraged to buy a clean lean TDi as it was cheap in road fund tax and did great mpg. So we moved from those polluting petrol engines to these clean new good for the environment ones. Ohhh the tide must have changed. So my petrol one would have been better after all even though the 'mug' tax has increased. Awaiting the next phase.. when all the new 'smart' motorways are finished.... pay per mile ... you did not think they would invest all this money to help the motorist did you 
Still think that the camera sign on the gantries should be replaced with a cashpoint one.
I do though await with interest the outcome of the VW scandal as I have one of the cheat wagons. A TDi which had the software installed. Should my next car be a hybrid.. hmmmm but what about the emissions from the power station and more importantly, what about the life and disposal of the batteries.
Still think that the camera sign on the gantries should be replaced with a cashpoint one.
I do though await with interest the outcome of the VW scandal as I have one of the cheat wagons. A TDi which had the software installed. Should my next car be a hybrid.. hmmmm but what about the emissions from the power station and more importantly, what about the life and disposal of the batteries.
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The red dye is only put in for the consumer so he knows he is using tax free, mixed with the dyes are trace elements that are always traceable if checked by C&E in a mobile test facility and these cannot be strained out by any method or removed once added.I was told, not that I would ever do it, that if you strain Red diesel through cat litter it removes the red dye from the diesel making it undetectable. Of course it would still bloody stink all the same .....................................
Tony.
Diesels were encouraged and taxation had incentive's on them even though they are far more polluting.
i've just ordered my new company car and gone for a BMW 330e hybrid as the tax situation means that on a diesel i will be paying 30% in four years compared to 19% for the hybrid.
its all a bit crap but small turbo diesels were all that was being developed so petrol engines have been left slightly behind.
interesting how non EU manufacturers (Honda and Mazda) concentrated on petrol tech alongside diesel tech
i've just ordered my new company car and gone for a BMW 330e hybrid as the tax situation means that on a diesel i will be paying 30% in four years compared to 19% for the hybrid.
its all a bit crap but small turbo diesels were all that was being developed so petrol engines have been left slightly behind.
interesting how non EU manufacturers (Honda and Mazda) concentrated on petrol tech alongside diesel tech
We've all gotten used to the low down grunt you get from even relatively small diesel turbos. Weaning people off that will be the problem. Petrol turbocharged cars don't get lively until higher in the range although twin scroll turbos I guess are better. This is where the F1 hybrid technology allied to more fuel efficient small petrol engines is going I expect.
Government and car manufacturers are going to have to atone for their rush to diesel to help support drivers to get there themselves after being 'conned'. It is pressure from local government by putting restrictions like this that will accelerate the process.
I could even see some buyback of recent diesels to be re-engineered to new petrol/hybrid standards. Why waste the money - re-use the good bits and reinstate the value of the whole vehicle.
Government and car manufacturers are going to have to atone for their rush to diesel to help support drivers to get there themselves after being 'conned'. It is pressure from local government by putting restrictions like this that will accelerate the process.
I could even see some buyback of recent diesels to be re-engineered to new petrol/hybrid standards. Why waste the money - re-use the good bits and reinstate the value of the whole vehicle.
