Is this the answer?

[t-tony]

Borrowed from MSN. It sounds promising.

MSN

Tony.

 

[brilie]

Maybe, but electric cars is not the answer!

 

[OhioZ4]

Im still thinking Hydrogen is the way to go

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[brilie]

Im still thinking Hydrogen is the way to go

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For sure ….ask BMW !

 

[Toby]

Im still thinking Hydrogen is the way to go

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Reading about the problems LA firefighters are having, this could be a better solution. time will tell

I've always thought electric is just a stop gap

 

[elevensies]

Reading about the problems LA firefighters are having, this could be a better solution. time will tell

I've always thought electric is just a stop gap

without sounding like a broken record, i did a post a while back on the extreme difficulty the fire and rescue service are having dealing with electric car fires, and the dangers no one is prepared to talk about, and the huge cost and environmental impact they have once the battery s go into run off.

 

[Toby]

without sounding like a broken record, i did a post a while back on the extreme difficulty the fire and rescue service are having dealing with electric car fires, and the dangers no one is prepared to talk about, and the huge cost and environmental impact they have once the battery s go into run off.

Yep read it, and knew of the problems a good while ago. No one wants to acknowledge the new Messiah is a very naughty boy

 

[Duncodin]

I have an off road parking space so could easily add a charging point for an Electric Car. But what about all the terraced houses where people park on the road - how are they supposed to charge their cars? It's just not going to work - ever.

Oh. and for home charging stations - the government will soon want to add some kind of meter so that they can add a, kind of, fuel tax to the cost of charging at home.

 

[Toby]

I have an off road parking space so could easily add a charging point for an Electric Car. But what about all the terraced houses where people park on the road - how are they supposed to charge their cars? It's just not going to work - ever.

Oh. and for home charging stations - the government will soon want to add some kind of meter so that they can add a, kind of, fuel tax to the cost of charging at home.

Suggest you send that idea to Rachel from accounts - help her with her money raising.

Regards terrace houses - they can request planning permission to install a cable gully to enable them to charge their cars. This doesnt give them entitlement though to the parking space outside their home, but they may think it does. I can imagine the problems this will cause

 

[the Nefyn cat]

Can't park outside my place, double yellow lines and a roundabout see to that. It's just another case of those making the rules not having to live in the same world as others do.

 

[elevensies]

high rise flats, london has the most, and the areas they are situated its the lowest economy housing where people struggle to buy food never mind 75k PCP on a electric car.

and then theres China, south America (every country) Africa (every country) Most of the middle east, they dont know if its drugs ruling, or terrorists ruling from day to day, so electric vehicles is just not a thought..

Do our mentalists not even consider this??? of is it just the western society liberal labourist that cant see past their extended driveway and second home in the cotswolds.

 

[Duncodin]

Not forgetting VAT. The Govt will want that 20% VAT. But VAT on Household Fuel is only 5% So "Filling up" your EV at home will only cost 5% VAT? Govt won't stand for that for long.

Any one charged an EV at one of those supermarket/motorway service charging points? What's the VAT on the receipt?

Edit.

Found the answer to my question

The government charges 5% VAT on electricity supplied to homes for electric vehicle (EV) charging, as long as the supply is less than 1,000 kilowatt-hours per month. Public EV charging points are charged at the standard rate of 20% VAT.

 

[Pingu]

Reading about the problems LA firefighters are having, this could be a better solution. time will tell

I've always thought electric is just a stop gap

Using current battery chemistry, it is just the stop gap. An electric motor is one of the most efficient methods of converting potential energy into kinetic energy (typically between 75% and 95%). A petrol engine is about 20% to 40% efficient, but only Formula One type engines can manage the very high efficiencies.

Stopping and starting a mass is just not efficient, especially if you only get power once for every four times you stop and start it.

If battery technology can improve enough to allow us decent distances between charges, and decent charge times, the answer to the engine is already here.

 

[Duncodin]

Using current battery chemistry, it is just the stop gap. An electric motor is one of the most efficient methods of converting potential energy into kinetic energy (typically between 75% and 95%). A petrol engine is about 20% to 40% efficient, but only Formula One type engines can manage the very high efficiencies.

Stopping and starting a mass is just not efficient, especially if you only get power once for every four times you stop and start it.

If battery technology can improve enough to allow us decent distances between charges, and decent charge times, the answer to the engine is already here.

4 times?

I assume you're referring to 4 strokes.

Indcuction, Compression, Power, Exhaust.

You're right. Maybe we shulda invested more in rotary engines

 

[the Nefyn cat]

Can't see how battery cars are the answer to anything, except how to make Elton Musk richer. The electricity has to be generated in the first place, and this country is pretty marginal on generating capacity as it is. If all of a sudden half the cars on the road were electric there wouldn't be enough to go round. Unless, of course, people turned their TVs and dishwashers off to allow a bit of spare.
And that ain't going to happen.

 

[John_B]

Conscious that I may be operating off out-dated information - but I read somewhere that by the time all the exotic minerals have been mined, shipped around the world a few dozen times during various stages of assembly - a single EV or hybrid vehicle has already contributed more CO2 to the atmosphere than a typical ICE car does in its lifetime - not to mention any dirty sources of electricity used to charge the thing. And correct me if I am wrong, but exactly what we do with millions of EV batteries when they reach the end of their useful life is still unknown.

Meanwhile mass produced, carbon-neutral synthetic fuel is right around the corner - I don't understand why more isn't being done to accelerate that to market instead of fannying around with EVs

 

[the Nefyn cat]

I don't understand why more isn't being done to accelerate that to market instead of fannying around with EVs

Because rich people need to be richer.

 

[Toby]

Indonesia - cut down rain forests of an area twice the size of Germany. The reason to mine nickel ore.

Those Savvy Indonesians realised that rather than exporting the nickel ore to be processed, they could actually make more money by refining it themselves and export the nickel. Makes sense.

However nickel ore refining into nickel needs vast amounts of power, so they decided they had to build power stations to provide this power to the refining plants. The power stations are coal fired

Of course the nickel is a major component for an EV battery, designed to save us from......................... the irony of this

 

[the Nefyn cat]

And now try googling "lithium deposits in Ukraine" and see if you can work out why a bunch of rich people are queing up to "help out". Because more money than you could ever spend is never going to be enough.

 

[elevensies]

money money money.... and the mentalists in the western world buy into it!!!!!!!